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Kylah

buh cassy hab bedder focuth

then let cassy imagine for you

2:36 AM

that might help

Hello.

2:42 AM

that might help

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump that was our inquiry, if my focused state of mind is helpful

Just know that you are not more focused than lolcery would be if he believed he was...

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump I do know that, and I am not even in the state right now.

But hey, if it works it works, it might be easier for you to concentrate as you already believe you are...

2:45 AM

But when you feel in that state you might try to do some visualization

2:45 AM

that might help

it may

Im going to sleep guys, have fun

You aswell

I find myself desiring more tulpas as time goes on, but I've yet to ever cross the barrier of vocality with even one tulpa.

I have always had plans ideally for 2 tulpas, but I've also thought up a #3 and #4.

Reisen: Well, obviously focus on just one until you're successful, and you might even be satisfied with your first tulpa, can't know before you've been together for a while! (edited)

Well I've been trying on and off for almost a decade Seems I really have been going about it wrong cause what I have been doing hasn't worked

I wouldn’t recommend more than 2 or 3, 3 is already pushing it. The more you add the less time everyone has.

Heumann

Well I've been trying on and off for almost a decade Seems I really have been going about it wrong cause what I have been doing hasn't worked

What have you been doing?

picturing form, talking towards tulpas, talking about plans with tulpas I work 10 hour shifts doing menial work so I usually just talk in my head. Recently been counting from 10-0 and then later 1-10 just trying to force my way past any mental barriers. Trying to imagine tulpas in my area. Like every time I get tinnitis I imagine it is me having heightened hearing for tulpas' voices. I don't have a strong mindvoice, so I've been probably foolishly hoping I could either skip to auditory or visual imposition by sheer willpower I imagine I just have to convince my subconscious to enable me to interact with tulpas, to let me perceive their voices or forms. I'd love to be able to talk with tulpas, at least the one, in lucid dreams. I've only ever made attempts a handful of times, and I don't think even there I've found success. The one tulpa is supposed to be present in all my dreams, but I don't think they've ever been present to my knowledge (edited)

12:29 AM

Hard for me to carry a monologue, and can't parse my own thoughts well enough to know if they're responding

12:30 AM

Like recently I've been picturing one's form, shrunk down, sitting in my line of sight. The other I picture in a wonderland reading from a book in front of a fireplace

12:31 AM

but yeah, to my knowledge neither have ever said anything or moved on their own

Heumann

picturing form, talking towards tulpas, talking about plans with tulpas I work 10 hour shifts doing menial work so I usually just talk in my head. Recently been counting from 10-0 and then later 1-10 just trying to force my way past any mental barriers. Trying to imagine tulpas in my area. Like every time I get tinnitis I imagine it is me having heightened hearing for tulpas' voices. I don't have a strong mindvoice, so I've been probably foolishly hoping I could either skip to auditory or visual imposition by sheer willpower I imagine I just have to convince my subconscious to enable me to interact with tulpas, to let me perceive their voices or forms. I'd love to be able to talk with tulpas, at least the one, in lucid dreams. I've only ever made attempts a handful of times, and I don't think even there I've found success. The one tulpa is supposed to be present in all my dreams, but I don't think they've ever been present to my knowledge (edited)

So when you talk to them, do you give them mental space/resources to reply? Do you ever think about what they'd say? What kind of response are you expecting, feeling wise? Sometimes people get stuck because they expect something alien and external feeling and end up not getting anything. A lot of the general advice has a sort of luck element in it, where if you talk to your tulpa enough you brain will finally give something in return, but that doesn't really work for everyone. If it's been 10 years, maybe you're in that "unlucky" group and need to try something else

That's part of my problem, I'm not very creative I dunno what they'd even say Other than "Hey, what's up"

3:05 AM

I'm probably expecting too much out of tulpamancy but it'd be neat one day to be able to share my dreams with a tulpa and have them relate to me what we dreamed about that night and plan the next night's adventures Like if they could comb through my forgotten memories and relate all the dreams I'd forgotten about

3:07 AM

not really a tulpa thing but it'd be neat to be able to change my perceptions of the world around me a bit, like swap the colors of stuff or selectively mute certain annoying noises I'd love to not see yellow everywhere and not need ear plugs to focus at work

3:09 AM

But yeah I tried throwing out the "don't parrot" rule a long time ago but even when I try to give them stuff to say I can't think of anything

Hopping in to say that sounds awesome I’d love to be able to do that as well!

Heumann

I'm probably expecting too much out of tulpamancy but it'd be neat one day to be able to share my dreams with a tulpa and have them relate to me what we dreamed about that night and plan the next night's adventures Like if they could comb through my forgotten memories and relate all the dreams I'd forgotten about

Also like stabilize the dream, make it vivid, help me realize it's a dream...prevent me from waking up before the dream is over (edited)

3:13 AM

Yeah I call it epc - Extra perception control It'd be neat if I could do it

3:14 AM

alas, my brain hasn't permitted it

3:14 AM

probably for the best in regards to safety

Heumann

Also like stabilize the dream, make it vivid, help me realize it's a dream...prevent me from waking up before the dream is over (edited)

this particular tulpa started as a desire for them to be a dream guide

sounds like most of the stuff you expect from a tulpa can be done and are probably easier without a tulpa

but how

1:22 PM

But without a tulpa my boredom at work wouldn't really be addressed

1:22 PM

tulpas could sing, maybe even help me practice language learning

Heumann

That's part of my problem, I'm not very creative I dunno what they'd even say Other than "Hey, what's up"

I'd say this is holdng you back a lot. If your brain doesn't know what they'd say, they may just not say anything or much of anything. You may have to extend yourself more to figure out what kind of person your tulpa is, what they'd say or do in different situations etc. Consider how many people accidentally make tulpas through writing characters, roleplaying, or just daydreaming a lot. Their tulpas are built up through those processes and then become independent. That's one way to train your brain to tulpa. Also probably good for creativity. Another thing, you didn't really answer my questions above, but I'm getting the sense you're expecting really alien responses from a tulpa. You may need to look at it differently and accept responses from your tulpa that are vague or feel similar to your own thoughts. They can become more distinct with more development, but they'll still be your brain having thoughts. You'll feel all their thoughts like normal thoughts

Constant narration is quite exhausting.

Reisen: Remember you can post discussion threads in#questions-and-topics for people to reply to more long-term (: (edited)

What do you think of wikihow's guide where you start with creating an empty husk of a hallucination FOLLOWED BY finally the sentience (which is the primary driving force behind wanting to put hours into it to begin with)

not harmful, just kind of pointless

I would classify any guide that describes making a tulpa sentient as the hard part as a guide which is probably going to mislead you a little bit. Not harmful, it can work perfectly fine, like error said, but it might waste a little bit of your time. (edited)

Reisen: Talking about this guide? (edited)

12:34 AM

https://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Tulpa

Create a Tulpa

So, you have heard about tulpae (or tulpas), the independent thought forms that share your brain like an imaginary friend, but have their own thoughts, feelings, and ideas independent from your own. Having a tulpa may come with many...

12:34 AM

It looks to me like it was written by a tulpamancer, I don't see any issue with it at a glance

12:35 AM

12:35 AM

Lol, well that's an interesting "basic step" in creating a tulpa-

12:35 AM

Nevermind, this tutorial is perfect (:

_Dan

What do you think of wikihow's guide where you start with creating an empty husk of a hallucination FOLLOWED BY finally the sentience (which is the primary driving force behind wanting to put hours into it to begin with)

Reisen: The method they described is fairly traditional; thinking about who your tulpa will be, interests they may have and such is a common practice. Some people believe a tulpa should be a total blank slate, but aside from that making it harder to focus on creating them, it's been shown there's no issue with the "personality-forcing" approach as long as you tell people it's okay and even expected that their tulpa will change (deviate) from what they had exactly envisioned as they develop. (edited)

12:42 AM

Our systemmate Lucilyn was created like this! Lumi thought about who and how she might be intently for a whole week before actually creating her, and as you'd expect, her personality changed a bit here and there almost immediately, and she went on to grow as a person as she had new experiences with the world over the following years.

I never forced personality. except for when I thought of "kind" and the word kept showing up whenever I'd think of it. Also they insisted that they're a separate consciousness but admitted that they don't know whether that's the case or what a consciousness is.

Nothing but mostly negative personality forcing for me!

(as in purposely forced negative traits)

Why would you ascribe them negative traits?

Because I’m an oblivious dumbass that just wanted to roleplay ok

My tulpa decided to have one of those rare moments where they're vocal without a prompt just to say that that's a little weird

Glad to be of service to your tulpa development

12:56 AM

Long story short I used roleplay as a form of escapism to avoid an abusive relationship and my main character was an antagonist that I thought about constantly as it was my only way to feel safe. Blah blah blah accidentally made a tulpa with mostly negative and destructive personality traits

How many of you are able to give them a random math question, keep your mind blank while waiting for an answer and then answer it yourself to see if it matches up?

I can’t do math even when I’m fronting and you want me to do it when I’m probably half awake and not present at all?

Are you literally unable to do math or just bad at it and is it the same as the host?

we probably have dyscalculia

I suppose thats more fitting in tulpa questions

1:03 AM

I would ask them for how long they've been aware for but could never get an actual answer but recently got "it's fuzzy" better than a random month where I wasn't even forcing

I think I have my own definition of sentience where the only requirement is receiving any alien response at all, and adding sapience which refers to when they're on par with you. sentience = feeling, sapience = wisdom

12:06 AM

"They're sentient but not yet sapient."

sigh a person in a random server told me to leave the server because I'm endogenic

4:43 AM

Everybody on the server is just ignoring me now

What server?

I would not like to say it

4:45 AM

It's kinda erm controversial

That's alright - I know a lot of servers that's just sort of their standard.

They have a DNI list and endogenic systems aren't on it

4:48 AM

It's not fair!

Life is an unfair thing.

I know

4:49 AM

Apollo's not happy about it either

4:49 AM

I feel so bad for xem

4:50 AM

I can't imagine having people constantly think you aren't even real

4:50 AM

Like literally trying to prove your existence wrong

You just stop caring at a certain point

4:56 AM

I’m real enough for me, fuck what anyone else has to tell me.

Luminesce: Just throwing out there that being anti-endogenic is literal thoughtform racism. (edited)

4:58 AM

It's the same underlying processes in the brain..

Reisen

Luminesce: Just throwing out there that being anti-endogenic is literal thoughtform racism. (edited)

That's truer than I can describe

txep

sigh a person in a random server told me to leave the server because I'm endogenic

A lot of plural servers will discriminate against endogenics... Its normal... (And maybe understandable depending on the reasons...) Im surprised they didnt just straight up ban you.

txep

Like literally trying to prove your existence wrong

Why do you care so much about other peoples opinion...

Reisen

Luminesce: Just throwing out there that being anti-endogenic is literal thoughtform racism. (edited)

Not for them, they might just believe that is just attention seeking or something, and in their view they are not discriminating against a type of thoughtform and instead keep fakers away...

4:25 PM

Also, There is tulpa communities that restrict disordered systems because them giving advice to tulpamancers could be problematic... (That is a reasonable reason)

Atlas || M&M

I’m real enough for me, fuck what anyone else has to tell me.

This. You dont need anyone elses "real aproval"

Feels like the topic is getting beat into the ground at this point

What do you mean by that?

she means that this is you and that thing you punch is the topic

6:58 PM

ORA ORA ORA

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Yeah, i kinda understood that, what i didnt understand is why or how :S

7:33 PM

And i also dont understand exactly what the metaphore of punching the topic means, i am guessing that they said my messages where unnecesary at this point...

Realizing my system functions in a very familial way.

4:19 AM

We have multiple “married” couples, headmates who consider themselves to be siblings of each other, and even parent-child relationships